In this episode of The Idealists (formerly Grit & Grace), host Melissa Kiguwa interviews Glenda Wina who at 22 moved from Los Angeles to Northern Rhodesia, now called Zambia. She married one of Zambia's founding fathers and received a front-row seat to the building of the nation. Glenda later returned to Los Angeles and became the first African-American news anchorwoman with a network owned-and-operated television station in Los Angeles. She tells us about witnessing the birth of a nation, recognizing greatness, and saying yes to adventure when it comes calling.

“I’m not fooled very often by people who are trying to make you think they are really sharp and smart, because I’ve met some serious heavyweights… And a lot of times you don’t know where you’re going to find greatness, you really don’t. The King’s son may not be the guy who is great, it may be his niece that nobody thinks anything of. If you’re in India you think this Brahman will be fantastic and he should be our leader, and maybe he should, or maybe it should be that untouchable down there. You don’t know. You don’t know."

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