In the twenty-third episode of The Idealists (formerly Grit & Grace), Melissa interviews Marianne Williamson, a #1 New York Times best selling author and spiritual thought leader. You may have seen her running for president during the United States 2019 presidential race or on Oprah’s Super Soul Sunday as Oprah's spiritual friend and counselor. In today’s episode, she talks about her campaign, why she advocates for reparations, and the role of conscience in politics.

“It is true that we have extraordinary entrepreneurial opportunities. It is true that some people have a fabulous life here. If you’re in the club, this is a great place to be. But it’s also true that right now not enough people have a chance to get into the club… I believe the mature American mind realizes that all of those things are correct. The conversation that social justice warriors are having at their best is ‘Yeah, that’s true what you’re saying, but not for enough people.’”

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